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18 September 2008

 

Dear Sir

Our Client : Brownhills Motorhomes Limited

We have been instructed by Brownhills Motorhomes Limited, Company No. 02999408. 

Our client company took over the business and premises previously occupied and operated by Brownhills Holdings Limited and Brownhills Motorhomes (Newark) Limited.  Our client company is an entirely different company to that which previously traded under the Brownhills name and is a new business which commenced trading following a management buyout at the end of April 2008. 

As a previous customer of Brownhills Motorhomes (Newark) Limited you will no doubt be aware that an Administrative Receiver was appointed in respect of those companies on the 25 April 2008 and with those companies ceasing to trade following the management buyout.

Our client has brought to our attention the website which we understand you have created and remain responsible for.  We are aware that that website ‘Brownfools.co.uk’ has also been well publised with details appearing, for example, on ‘Motorhome Facts’.

We have inevitably visited and considered your website in detail.  The undoubted intention of that website appears to be to damage our clients business.  It is in those circumstances we have been instructed to contact you and urge you to close down the website and to publish an immediate retraction/qualification of the comments made on that website. 

As we have already indicated we are aware that you were previously a customer of Brownhills Holdings/Brownhills Motorhomes (Newark) Limited but that it is some three years since you had any dealings with them.  We also understand that that previous company trading under the Brownhills name made a goodwill gesture to you three years after you purchased a vehicle from them.  For reasons best known to yourself your website makes no reference to any of those facts. 

We anticipate that you may seek to argue that you are simply reporting what you perceive to be an unfavourable experience of Brownhills.  You should be on notice that that response or explanation will not be acceptable in circumstances where our client company is an entirely different limited company to that of which you have any experience at all.  As far as we are aware you do not anywhere on your website or any of the links to it make any attempt to clarify that the comments and ‘experiences’ reported on your website relate to the companies which were placed into Administrative Receivership in April of this year.  As a result anyone visiting or reading your website will be drawn to the conclusion that it relates to our client company. 

The position, therefore, is that you are openly publishing to third parties comments which are designed to or would have the effect of substantially damaging our clients business and resulting in significant financial loss.  In those circumstances our clients have instructed us that they are prepared to commence proceedings against you if necessary.  Any such proceedings issued will include but will not be limited to an application for an Injunction to prevent you from repeating the comments made and to close down your website.  Our client will also seek an award of damages in respect of all or any losses suffered as a result of your actions.  Costs will obviously be incurred in the event of proceedings being necessary and in that event we shall seek an Order for costs against you.

Our clients preference would be to see this matter resolved without the need for proceedings and we therefore write to put you on notice of the position and to urge you to take immediate steps to close down the website and/or any links to it and to publish an immediate retraction of the comments made on that website to date.  In default proceedings appear to be inevitable.

We trust that it will not be necessary for any further action to be taken against you and we look forward to hearing from you by return with confirmation that you will act in accordance with this letter and bring matters to a conclusion once and for all.

Yours faithfully

Andrew & Co LLP

email.philip.armitage@andrew-solicitors.co.uk

 

Webmasters notes:  A reply has been sent requesting details of the "goodwill gesture" referred to in this email as the webmaster has no knowledge of any such occurrence.

The above email has been copied verbatim in order that any perceived inaccuracies / injustices are balanced.

In addition to the above, the webmaster received two further letters from Andrew and Co LLP.  A comprehensive reply was sent by return.  This appears to have concluded the matter.

09/10/08   21:20

I have never  read anything like this. I have put a link to it on my own web pages (www.rayandmave.co.uk) for the many motorgroaners that visit my pages ( average 500 a week )
well done
Ray.

07/10/08   10:52

First of all well done for your comments there are a lot of folks who are not happy with brownhills old company?????  Keep your eyes on this space

ziggy

08/11/08   10:52

Sir

It upsets me to see a site like this to a company I worked for for nearly 20 years, but I must agree with everything that is posted on this site. After the take over in 1999 the company went downhill rapidly. Within two years they lost over 200 years of experienced staff most of it to other motorhome dealers but some of us got out of the industry all together. When Brownfools was owned privately it was a great place to work, when I left in 2002 it was the worst place in the uk the moral was so low that I thought it would go under by the end of the year, but some how it as survived until now, but I wonder for how much longer.  
 
Your ex Brownfools employee.

20/11/08   16:37

Dear sir/madm
                     May i thank you for helping to make me unemployed thanks to your efforts to destroy peoples jobs,i understand you may be upset but alot of people are thankfull to staff at brownhills all you are doing is stopping people making there own minds up you can put this on your website but i bet you dont <remeber they dont build them if  kellogs cornflakes dont taste good is it tescos fault?if your website is anything to go by maybe you should look at yourself and think is my attitude right.get a life saddo
Regards Ian Cross
 

Webmasters reply

Ian,

Thank you for your latest correspondence.  It gives me the opportunity to make it clear that we do not have, nor have we ever had, any complaints about the build quality of our Hymer 524 CS motorgroan.  It's everything that followed its arrival at the dealership that was the problem.  Indeed, our experience of the quality of the Hymer product is that it is excellent!  After seven and a half years of touring on European roads and English potholes it is still superb!

Regarding the dealer, we feel sure that people are more than capable of making up their own minds and will continue to do so.  We would never seek to interfere with peoples freedom of thought.

May we take this opportunity to wish you every success in your efforts to find gainful employment.

Regards,

                    Brownfools Webmaster.

Webmasters note:    In previous correspondence Ian referred to himself as "one of these cretins at brownfools".

17/11/08   12:22

Dear sir

I've bought 7 motorhomes from several different companies and brownhills service has been nothing short of brilliant!, it's a shame that you had a bad expreice but don't abuse the company for a few problems, it's not fair because nearly all the people I have talked to over the years have agreed with me. This is a sad day when people can mock a company for a few down falls.

Name and contact details supplied - withheld by request.

14/12/08   08:24

I have had my membership of Club Brownfools terminated because I have not supported Brownfools with a Van purchase/ service during the past 12 months.  When I pointed out that at the time of purchase of my motorhome 2 years ago I was told I had membership whilst I owned the van, "Oh but that was the old Brownfools, nothing to do with us".  What a set of cowboys I hope they go bust soon.

An ex customer, never to set foot on their premises ever again.

Name and contact details supplied - removed by request.

07/06/09   15:32

Sakar Hills
Biser
Southeast Bulgaria

7 June 2009

Dear Webmaster

You will find a serious complaint against Brownhills on our website at:

http://www.magbaztravels.com/content/view/860/27/

We hope that your website and our popular site for long-term, long-distance motorhomers (and cyclists) will ensure that the complaint is widely distributed. The heart of the complaint, by Vivienne Luscott, is as follows:

“We are at Briarfields Camping in Cheltenham whilst we prepare for our departure. We will be leaving in our Forest River Sunseeker. Motorhome Medics have been instrumental in getting us fully operational and helping us in many other ways too! I'm also letting you know about our really bad experience with Brownhills Motorhomes so that you can warn others if you feel it appropriate.
We found our Sunseeker at Brownhills Motorhomes at Newark and all was well until 18 hours before we should have picked it up, when they phoned to say there were "issues" and didn't know when they could have it ready. It was not used nor registered but had stood for 2 years ignored and not put up for sale as it was acquired in a take over by Brownhills Motorhomes. We had to put our stuff into storage and go into B&Bs and Travelodges, etc!!
We phoned Brownhills Motorhomes several times a day over 2 weeks and were treated with disdain, contempt and rudeness. The worst thing though was the lies. About when they would call back, about what was wrong, about what had been done. One doesn't really expect outright lies from someone in business. Eventually we were told of the "Brownfools" website and then we realized we were on to a real loser.
We then spoke to Darren at Motorhome Medics who suggested we bargain with Brownhills Motorhomes to take it as it was and bring it to him. He was so encouraging and his attitude soothed our worries about what to do - this is to be our home - we have no fall back position - so we went ahead. Even at the handover, Brownhills Motorhomes told us more lies which could have resulted in dangerous situations.
When we arrived Martin of Motorhome Medics greeted us and made us tea, and within 10 minutes had got the heating on for us (which Brownhills Motorhomes said was faulty and they couldn't repair it). They basically just took us on board and put us right!
We are based here whilst we've had a complete rewire and lots of bits and pieces added plus the large important things overhauled and the systems explained to us and recommendations taken up! Wow they do give service and a half don't they! Thank heavens we got their info from your website!”


A qualified and competent motorhome technician, who has inspected and worked on the motorhome, reports that the above letter only brushes the grief they have had!"
Best wishes

Barry and Margaret Williamson.

Webmasters Notes:

Barry and Margaret operate the popular website MagBazTravels.com, for long-term, long distance Motorhomers and cyclists.  More details on our "links" page.

Barry and Margaret contacted Brownhills "Customer Services" through the Brownhills website, which they describe as "a considerable trial of patience".  Brownhills replies, which prompted Barry and Margaret to complain about Brownhills "boorish and arrogant approach to customer relations" are reproduced on the MagBazTravels website here.

Motorhome Medics was set up by Darren Corder and Martin Peters in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire "to offer honest work for fair prices on every aspect of motorhome servicing and repair".  More details on our "links" page.

                    Brownfools Webmaster.

19/08/09   07:33

I have been looking for somewhere to vent my disgust at Brownhills Ltd, Brownhills(Newark) Ltd Brownhills Holdings or whatever name they are now using. Having bought a motorhome from them in December 2007,for £24,000 (almost) and a warranty £300, when the van broke down six months later, we contacted them - or at least tried to. They would not deal with the warranty or our claim, so we eventually had to have the clutch replaced - which was totally burnt out.  We had to pay nearly £1000 for the clutch to be replaced, followed by £400 to have the wiring sorted out, and took them to the small claims court to recover our losses.  This little venture cost us £68, plus £15.00 donation to the Citizens' Advice Bureau, which we thought was worth the attempt to get our £1000 back. After being bombarded with intimidating e-mails and letters from their solicitors, we nonetheless went to Court, believing that we had finished paying out any more money. To our horror, we discovered that the company had changed hands, and although the same people were effectively running it, the 'company' had changed hands and were not liable. The Judge, and barrister which they hired were very sympathetic to our case, and we did not have to pay the £3,500 claimed by Brownhills' solicitors, but we did have to pay £400 'disbursements'. Had we have withdrawn, which we felt under pressure to do, we would have been liable for the £3,500. We are grateful to the Judge, and hope Brownhills had to pay their solicitors substantially more than the £1000 we would have claimed. In fact, we offered to settle with Brownhills out of court for £450, but they would not. I hope other people will be wary of the Small Claims Court, but I have nothing but praise for the Judge.

Name and contact details supplied.

Webmasters Note:

We are sorry to hear that you ended up out of pocket at the end of your ordeal.  We too were amazed that, under British law, directors of a failed company can effectively ditch tens of millions of pounds of debt and carry on as if nothing had happened while shedding all liability for all their previous dodgy deals and warranties.   The law truly is an ass!

However, now that your ordeal is at an end, we do  hope that you are enjoying your motorhome and that you will continue to do so.

Best wishes,

David, Prew and Connor.

19/10/09   07:06

We purchased a brand new Autoroller 200 Low Profile in February 2009 from Brownhills of Swindon. After several attempts to get the documentation including the finance agreement and ford warranty we finally went away for a long weekend in May. Cracks appeared on the back panel of the vehicle. After inspection and only a discussion with the people Autotrail who are authorized on the warranty of the body they stated they would renew the back panel. However we knew that something was wrong with the underneath of this vehicle. Neither Brownhills, the finance company or Autotrail would give us the information on what had gone wrong with this new motorhome. It has now had an expert inspection and it is the extensions on the chassis that has not only been ill fitted, but screw-self tappet screws missing and some not even drilled. The total lack of assistance from Brownhills, their rudeness, distain and contempt has put them at number one as the worst company we have ever dealt with. It is now going to court as are seeking legal redress for the return of all monies and compensation. Our warning to anyone that has an Autoroller 200 is to get an engineers report on the extension chassis because in time (or in our case after one trip) you will find faults. These vehicles are so poorly constructed with regard to the chassis extensions that they are positively dangerous, we have confirmed this in our case by an engineers report. Trading standards have being passed the information and are looking into this matter.

Best regards,

David and Lesley Lock.

Webmasters Note:

We are sorry to hear of your problems with your new motorhome and saddened (although not surprised) to hear of Brownhills response.  We would recommend contacting VOSA (the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency).  They would inspect the vehicle and, if deemed appropriate, could order the recall of all similar vehicles for inspection and/or remedial action or modification.

See the VOSA "what we do" page here  http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/aboutvosa/whatwedo/whatwedo.htm

Or search for recalls here  http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/default.asp

We wish you a speedy and satisfactory resolution to these issues and hope that you are enjoying your new motorhome soon.

Best wishes,

David, Prew and Connor.

21/10/09   20:49

Cavalier attitude reigns

We too had the audacity to discover that our annual habitational service had not checked our battery levels despite the check sheet indicating they had! Having received inaccurate and blatant sales pitch  responses I complained about their customer service staff only to be told by Get Carter their CEO was composing the replies!  Additionally as we have now had to buy new batteries it is probable they had never been checked in the previous ones either.  When I had the audacity to raise this as an issue the CEO, initials TB, who seems to totally control all questions to the website, blacklisted us immediately with a response included herewith

: Thanks Ms H - we like to deal with nice people. We have no wish to get into an argument. Your record here has been marked for no further contact so as to avoid any further unpleasantness - we will also not carry out any further work on your van for the same reason. Thanks for the past business and enjoy your van. Thankyou. Tom
To Do : nothing
Department :Get Carter

I would, however, like to point out that they did seem to have a sane service manager at that point however he may not have survived – who knows.  I followed this up with a recorded delivery letter of complaint with regard to how my original complaint had been handled on 13 August.  I am still waiting for a response and am seriously considering legal action.  Things have never got better despite their fancy website!!!

Judith Horsfield

07/11/09   17:25

First let me say what a brilliant site you're running, and tell you about a lucky escape.

Looking to buy our third motorhome we travelled to the Swindon depot of you know who to have a look around.

I asked three different employees if they had any automatics in stock (can only drive autos since being victim of road traffic accident), we were finally told to go and have a look.  When I pointed out that I couldn't walk too far and we had our very pregnant daughter with us and it was a very hot day, surely they could be a little more helpful.

Nope was the reply and the guy headed back to the shade and ice water dispenser at the side of the office.  We decided on one more try so I entered the office and asked, surely you have a stock list.  Reply was the best ever.

The person responsible for that sort of thing was on a break.

I took my £30,000 pounds elsewhere.  These people are nuts.

Chris and Juliet Segelov.

 

10/12/09   22:05

Love the website. Very well put together and unfortunately all too true.

  I thought I'd send you this. It's pretty much self explanatory, suffice to say I never had a response. Feel free to use all, or any part you wish.

Good luck and keep up the good work.

  C. K.  of  Poole.

Subject: Aborted purchase of Hymer S650
To: dgoble@brownhills.co.uk
Date: Monday, 31 March, 2008, 17:51

  Dear Darren,

  Further to my cancelled order for the Hymer S650 I would like to clarify my reasons for this action.

  As explained during a previous telephone conversation with you, I had been frustrated with the general service levels i.e. being told initially that the snagging list would not honoured, not receiving call-backs when promised and having to chase information regarding dates to collect the vehicle. During that call, I stated my intention not to proceed with the purchase. I further explained that I'd thoroughly enjoyed viewing the van and the service I'd received from Alix, Mark and Mike (which resulted in my impulsive commitment to placing the order) but was now becoming disappointed as to how things were proceeding. You were adamant that cancellation was not an available option as the contract was binding and that if I agreed to move forward the situation would improve and the purchase/handover would run smoothly from that point on. I agreed.

  On the 26th of March, as arranged, having renewed the MOT on my part exchange as agreed and cleaned the van thoroughly I arrived with you late morning. On inspecting the vehicle there was clearly an unsightly and substantial 'scuff' mark near to the entrance door that we agreed had happened subsequent to my previous viewing and would therefore need repair. Your suggestion that I have it repaired locally to where I live and then invoice you was logical and reasonable, but I'm sure you'll agree, somewhat frustrating and disappointing. The same was suggested for a faulty lock i.e. that I appoint a local locksmith to change the barrel - a minor job I am sure but nevertheless another slight disappointment.

  I also have to say that the deflector plate I asked to be installed for protecting the cabinet next to the hob I was expecting to be a dedicated part not a piece of aluminium screwed directly onto the cabinet. Additionally I'd hoped that someone would have been able to explain the alarm system and a couple of switches installed to the van but due to them being 'aftermarket' systems/items nobody could. Understandable, but again, other points compounded, I'm sure you realise this was not ideally what I had hoped to hear.

  When Alix was running through the paperwork I noticed that the MOT expired on the 30th of April 2008. I assumed that the van was to be sold with a new MOT (I believe this is policy with vehicles showing less than 6 months) especially as this point had been agreed during my previous visit to you. Alix explained that due to it having over a month to run it would make sense to re-MOT the van nearer it's expiry date which I am sure was a confused comment by her but nonetheless for whatever reason, the van had just five weeks MOT to run.

  It was at this point I asked that Alix speak to you and in no uncertain terms communicate that I did not wish to proceed with the purchase any further, felt completely let down and would like the £ 1,000.00 deposit refunded - this clearly has now been agreed. What I hoped was to be an easy and enjoyable experience resulted in a bitterly disappointing, frustrating one and not what I was expecting from a company of Brownhills magnitude and reputed service levels. I had taken the day off work and travelled approximately 220 miles only to find that after a month of waiting, the van amongst other things, had not been given an MOT as agreed.

  I understand that I will shortly receive the log sheet as the vehicle had at that point been taxed in my name and that I am to return it to you - this of course I shall do but is not, obviously, the outcome I expected.

  So overall, a totally unsavoury and in my opinion, unnecessary experience. I have received no follow-up call and in fairness did not expect one. Doubtlessly, one lost sale to a company of Brownhills size is unimportant but from my prospective, I ('the customer') have been denied an opportunity to purchase the van of my choice which, for reasons of popularity I assume, is not the easiest model to locate in the first place.

  All in all nothing more than a pointless, unavoidable shame and at risk of overusing a word - a totally disappointing experience.

  Yours sincerely

  C. K.

  c.c. Andy Craggs

Webmasters Note:

We can empathize with your disappointment, C.K.   Finding the ideal motorhome is problematic enough.  Having to entrust the muppets of Newark with it's preparation is enough to drive a sane man to despair!   On the plus side (and a surprise to us) at least they refunded your deposit without a fight.  Perhaps they really are improving.   :-)

Maybe the best advice for others finding their ideal motorcaravan is to buy it as it stands, negotiating a discount for any work that needs doing, then have this work done locally, as Vivienne Luscott did (see above).  You are fortunate to have some excellent companies on your doorstep.

Best wishes,

David, Prew and Connor.

06/08/10   13:03

My wife was recently given between 6 months and 2 years to live with a brain tumor. We've been hill walkers most of our later years but are only just in our 50's spending several weeks a year in the Lake District in our caravan. 
After my wife operation to prolong life, she was left partly paralyzed, our walking days over I decided to sell what ever I could to purchase a motorhome so we could tour the Scottish highlands, this was our dream for when we retire.
I found the motorhome I wanted at Brownhills Newark at £24,000.00 , I paid a large deposit £10,000.00 and set a date for me to collect. Two weeks later the day before I was due to pick up the motorhome they called me to say it had failed the MOT (exhaust) I said but you have had weeks to sort this out and I have booked the holiday the following weekend. "Don’t worry" I was told "it will be ready before then," it wasn't and another week past and another collection day was given and postponed. Two weeks after the original collection day I was able to collect. I got to Brownhills driven by my son, I saw a motorhome that looked like mine but it was not clean so I dismissed but yes you've guessed, it was mine! inside was worse, filthy carpets etc. I thought never mind I will clean it up before my wife sees (as she had never seen it) I drove home and set about cleaning it up before my wife arrived home from her mothers. She got home and loved it but noticed there was several things missing and the fridge would not open, she looked at the loo and I could not believe my eyes as the cassette was still full from the previous owner, I sorted that out and she said she liked the motorhome but it was in need of a clean (thank goodness I had already cleaned it somewhat) Next day we started with a major clean with the shower & hand basin in the wet room, I noticed water was leaking through the floor, also saw the main fresh water tank leaked, I was devastated, we had just three days to go till our re-booked holiday, I called Brownhills and I asked why the motorhome had not been checked? But the service manager side tracked and suggested we call there on Saturday on our way to our Scottish holiday, they would do the repairs while we wait and have a complimentary breakfast, I thought (yes) we will get our Holiday after all. 
Over the next three days we added an inverter - sat-nav - extra battery's etc. and loaded up, my wife was determined to clean the filthy carpets, I was concerned at her doing this but she spent a whole day in the garden with a vax shampooing carpets spread across the patio, taking rests but happy to be doing her bit.
Saturday 6am we drove the 130 miles to Brownhills feeling fairly happy but wondering how long we would have to wait while the repairs were done. We arrived at 10am and went to the desk, nobody seemed to know who I was but I saw the original salesman who took my keys and said we should sit and wait but my wife was outside with our 3 year old chocolate lab Beau who was not allowed inside, we sat outside to eat our non – complimentary breakfast at a picnic table in the cold drizzly morning. (Mandy my wife refused to sit inside and leave us alone) 6hrs later 3.45pm I went to see if I could find out anything and was told the motorhome had been ready for and hour, nobody had bothered to tell us. I took the keys, signed the papers and went and got my cold wife and Beau and followed the service manager and engineer who said they could find nothing wrong except the leaking freshwater tank, in the Motorhome I was shown how to run the fridge on gas and they left, I then noticed all the dirty greasy footmarks over the carpets and the grubby hand marks on the shower and basin, my blood boiled as I saw red and called them back and I swore at them. The service manager apologized, said he would have the motorhome cleaned when we came back from our trip. Do these people not realize how difficult it is to (just pop in) to Brownhills when you are caring for someone and the cost etc. I was fuming, all the effort my wife had put into cleaning those carpets.
We got on our way up the A1, I suggested we stay at Castlerigg hall in the Lake District as Scotland was too far today. We listened to the radio that for some reason would go off till you hit another pothole in the road but we arrived in one piece and set up for our overnight stay. Mandy suggested that we watch telly so I got it switched on and started messing with the Ariel trying to get a signal, this I did for several hours till I could not be bothered any more. we decided to stay in the Lakes a few days as the weather was good and I would set up our satellite dish the following day and get used to our motorhome. The following day I found the toilet cassette leaking and later we had a knock at the door from the Warden to say water was leaking from under the motorhome, the shower -the one they said did not leak!! I spent some time setting up the satellite dish getting a lovely picture, I thought I would wind out the awning to sit outside in the fresh air but found the awning legs were broken. I messed about with the Ariel ( again) to see why I could not get a picture as everyone else could (yes you’ve guessed it again the Ariel was broken) not to give up and try to keep my Mandy cheerful I said we will use on site showers, the satellite for TV and carry on up to Scotland on Tuesday.
Monday we had a pleasant day and nothing seemed to go wrong (touch wood) Tuesday morning came and we packed up, said goodbye to our friends who own the site and left on our way to Bunree in Scotland - we arrived at 6pm and was greeted by our other friends who run this site for the Caravan Club, it was late & they said go and set up and do the paperwork in the morning. I set up the motorhome while my wife made her way to the Showers, she came back and made a lovely dinner and I swallowed a can or two of Guinness, after this we took a slow stroll along the beach with our lovely dog Beau and I thought I wish this moment could last forever. Anyway back at the motorhome we talked about getting another cassette for the toilet from Inverness on our way to Kinlochewe as it’s a long way to walk in the middle of the night to the loo and twice a far for me as I have to escort my wife Mandy, anyway we settled for the night and I fell asleep with the telly still on at the end of the bed and in to a dream and in my dream I could hear Andy wake up - Andy wake up, I then realized it was Mandy and I wasn’t dreaming “yes what is it “ I said, she replied , “ there’s water running through the spotlight overhead “ and yes it was all over Mandy’s side and all the bed and bedding was soaked and so was she, I could hear the rain hitting the roof hard and knew there must be a hole in the roof, it was then I realized the only light was from the cooker that I had left on as a nightlight, the rain water had run inside the satellite receiver and blown that also. I got out of the bed and pulled out a make up bed and had to steal the dogs blanket for us to rest under, it was 2.30 am and Mandy slept fairly well because of her medication, I didn’t Sleep any.
The hours took forever to pass until at 9am I managed to get through to Brownhills and all they could say is “you’ll have to bring it in” we were 500 plus miles from home with nothing to sleep on and 350 miles back to Brownhills, but worst of all it was the end of our dream, but the nightmare continues, I started 350 miles back to Brownhills and at around 3.30pm I called Brownhills again and said we will be there very close to 6 could an engineer hang on a few minutes if we are Just after 6 and the girl on the service desk just said if your not here by 6 you will have to come back tomorrow, I said that I’ve been driving non-stop to get to you cant somebody wait a few minutes longer, there was no answer so we put the phone down and I put my foot down the last 120 mile and got there at 5.30 and walked in and they said, “oh you got here then” I stood and looked at them and felt like crying but I followed the engineer ( a different well mannered gentleman) out and showed him the problems, he climbed on the roof and said that he could get his fingers in where the mastic had cracked and the whole roof needed to be done. I went back to the service desk and asked the receptionist to see the service manager but was told he was in a meeting but she would get him to call me the following day, the next thing was Mandy, Beau and myself are sitting back in the Motorhome stunned by a lack of anything - Brownhills are closing up going home - Id been driving for 9 hours - still got another 2 hour to get home - no answers no apologies. I drove home in silence wishing I never put my poor wife through all this.
The following morning I waited and waited for a call but nothing so I called them and asked for the service manager and got the reply he’s in a meeting. (again) she then said I will get him to call you this afternoon, the phone call came around 2pm and straight away I apologized for swearing the other day at his engineer but he did not reply so I said hello are you there ? and the manager said what is it you want. Again I could feel my blood starting to boil but I kept calm and read him out a list of 12 faults, 4 of which are major and he said when would you like these done? And I replied as so as possible as the summer is nearly over, he then replied I will call you later today to let you know when we can collect it (he did not call back) and that was the last I heard apart from my I called back to see if he had got a time for me but guess what? He was in a meeting.
I don’t know how long my wife has, I hope the doctors have got it wrong but I wanted to give her the dream and when I met the Brownhills salesman who showed genuine feelings I thought this was it, then the after sales people of Brownhills took over and they lie and cowardly hide behind their secretary’s, they have no feelings and no respect.

Locksmith

Webmasters reply

Hi Abbeylocks & Mandy (and Beau!),

 
Thank you for your email to us here at Brownfools.
Firstly may we say how sorry we are to hear of your condition, Mandy.  Our thoughts and sympathies are with you and your family.  An experience like you have just had with Brownhills was the very last thing you all needed.
 
We had already read your distressing account on the Motorhomefacts website forum.  The replies from members of that forum (and others) say more than we ever could.  We understand from subsequent posts to the forum that you may be able to obtain a refund from Brownhills.  You won't need us to tell you how precious your time is.  If you can get your money back, do so!  Then put Brownhills behind you and never look back.
Motorhoming is a wonderful way of making the most of your time together.  We understand that the proprietor of Johns Cross Motorhomes in East Sussex (Peter) has offered you a Swift Motorhome for a week to get you off to a proper start.  Our limited dealings with Johns Cross Motorhomes have been very satisfactory and we thank Peter for his generous offer.
In the time that we have run the Brownfools website we have been sent some harrowing, first hand accounts of peoples dealings with the Muppets of Newark.  We often think that they can't dig themselves any deeper into the gutter, then we hear of them in the sewer.
This website was born out of our experiences.  We are truly sorry that, like us, you learnt the hard way.  We do hope that this is all resolved to your satisfaction - and quickly!
Please drop us a line letting us know how you fare, what you buy, where you go and, most of all, how you enjoy it!  Don't let this put you off motorhoming.  There are good dealers out there!
Finally, we hope that you can make another trip to Scotland.  As you will see from the photos elsewhere on this website, we love it!
 
Very best wishes,
 
                    David, Prew and Connor.

Update (04:52  13/08/10)

In the last couple of days Abbeylocks has posted to Motorhomefacts that he has achieved a very satisfactory resolution to the above issues.  He has thanked Brownhills for the way they have responded to his complaint.  We are very pleased for him and Mandy and wish them many happy days in their replacement motorhome.

                    David, Prew and Connor.

31/07/10   16:56

 

Dear Sir
 
I ran an ASKMID check on the registration number Y359 DAU and it has come back as being on the Motor Insurance Database today as a: "Fiat Swift".
 
See: http://www.askmid.com/ownvehicle/
 
Regards ............ Michael

Webmasters reply

Hi Michael,

 Yes, the registration is apparently on a Swift Suntor 590RS UK, with the serial number /MH1148 and CRM reference 179100. But despite knowing all that, neither Swift nor the DVLA appear to know who owns it. Swift believed that it was ours but now accept that it is not and never has been.

However, we had not thought of checking the motor insurers database, so thanks for pointing us in the right direction! What's fascinating about that registration appearing on the database is that it implies that someone is insuring it. So, it must still be out there.....and probably still awaiting it's safety critical recall!

 We will be writing to the motor insurers bureau asking if they would be prepared to forward the Safety Critical Recall notice to the owners. After all these years, we may just be getting somewhere!  We'll keep you posted.  Thanks again for your email.

Very best wishes,

              David, Prew and Connor.

13/08/10   23:25

I bought a new Hobby van from Brownfools on which there were 30+ items requiring remedial work under warranty during the following year. Reaching the first anniversary with several things still outstanding I decided to go elsewhere to maintain the warranty. However, another nearby dealership was too busy with their own customers, which is understandable.

 Browncon promised all the outstanding work would be done. So I gave them a chance and agreed to them carrying out a water ingress check only at about £100. On collecting the vehicle a bill for over £250 was presented. They said my instructions were followed and non-payment would result in retention of vehicle and loss of warranty. They promised that urgent warranty work would be done.

 Reluctantly, payment was made. I suspect little or no real service work had been done because grease was simply wiped over keyhole not injected and there was no evidence of other work being carried out.

  A short time later I enquired as to when the outstanding issues would receive attention and was met with Browncon response to say no further warranty work would be done on the vehicle because they had a problem with Hobby.

Owdfool was fobbed off time and time again, conned over work instructions, pressured by threats and promises. Taken for £250 for nothing. Other Owdfools better not mess with Brownfools for they are expert liars and confidence tricksters. They know each year brings a harvest of more ripe Owdfools.

Yvonne the Owdfool.

 

Webmasters reply:

Hi Yvonne,

“Conned and pressured”.  Yes, we know exactly how you feel.  There was something excruciatingly frustrating, fruitless and subjugating about being on the wrong side of the Brownfools service reception desk.
Reading your email reminded us how we too were a family of Owdfools, ripe for picking.  It was our stupidity in trustingly going back time and time again that we most regret.  We were led to believe that we couldn’t take the warranty work elsewhere.
Learning the hard way is never comfortable.  But at least you learnt more quickly than this family of Owdfools.
Despite your first year gremlins we hope that you’ve enjoyed your Hobby and that it continues to give you much better service than Brownfools.
Thanks to you, Brownfools now has a new tagline. “There’s no fool like an Owdfool!”
Very best wishes,
            David, Prew and Connor.

 

 

 

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