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18 September 2008
Dear
Sir
Our
Client : Brownhills Motorhomes Limited
We
have been instructed by Brownhills Motorhomes Limited, Company No. 02999408.
Our
client company took over the business and premises previously occupied and
operated by Brownhills Holdings Limited and Brownhills Motorhomes (Newark)
Limited. Our client company is an
entirely different company to that which previously traded under the Brownhills
name and is a new business which commenced trading following a management buyout
at the end of April 2008.
As
a previous customer of Brownhills Motorhomes (Newark) Limited you will no doubt
be aware that an Administrative Receiver was appointed in respect of those
companies on the 25 April 2008 and with those companies ceasing to trade
following the management buyout.
Our
client has brought to our attention the website which we understand you have
created and remain responsible for. We
are aware that that website ‘Brownfools.co.uk’ has also been well publised
with details appearing, for example, on ‘Motorhome Facts’.
We
have inevitably visited and considered your website in detail.
The undoubted intention of that website appears to be to damage our
clients business. It is in those
circumstances we have been instructed to contact you and urge you to close down
the website and to publish an immediate retraction/qualification of the comments
made on that website.
As
we have already indicated we are aware that you were previously a customer of
Brownhills Holdings/Brownhills Motorhomes (Newark) Limited but that it is some
three years since you had any dealings with them.
We also understand that that previous company trading under the
Brownhills name made a goodwill gesture to you three years after you purchased a
vehicle from them. For reasons best
known to yourself your website makes no reference to any of those facts.
We
anticipate that you may seek to argue that you are simply reporting what you
perceive to be an unfavourable experience of Brownhills.
You should be on notice that that response or explanation will not be
acceptable in circumstances where our client company is an entirely different
limited company to that of which you have any experience at all.
As far as we are aware you do not anywhere on your website or any of the
links to it make any attempt to clarify that the comments and ‘experiences’
reported on your website relate to the companies which were placed into
Administrative Receivership in April of this year.
As a result anyone visiting or reading your website will be drawn to the
conclusion that it relates to our client company.
The
position, therefore, is that you are openly publishing to third parties comments
which are designed to or would have the effect of substantially damaging our
clients business and resulting in significant financial loss.
In those circumstances our clients have instructed us that they are
prepared to commence proceedings against you if necessary.
Any such proceedings issued will include but will not be limited to an
application for an Injunction to prevent you from repeating the comments made
and to close down your website. Our
client will also seek an award of damages in respect of all or any losses
suffered as a result of your actions. Costs
will obviously be incurred in the event of proceedings being necessary and in
that event we shall seek an Order for costs against you.
Our
clients preference would be to see this matter resolved without the need for
proceedings and we therefore write to put you on notice of the position and to
urge you to take immediate steps to close down the website and/or any links to
it and to publish an immediate retraction of the comments made on that website
to date. In default proceedings
appear to be inevitable.
We
trust that it will not be necessary for any further action to be taken against
you and we look forward to hearing from you by return with confirmation that you
will act in accordance with this letter and bring matters to a conclusion once
and for all.
Yours
faithfully
Andrew
& Co LLP
email.philip.armitage@andrew-solicitors.co.uk
Webmasters notes: A reply has been sent requesting details of the "goodwill gesture" referred to in this email as the webmaster has no knowledge of any such occurrence.
The above email has been copied verbatim in order that any perceived inaccuracies / injustices are balanced.
In addition to the above, the webmaster received two further letters from Andrew and Co LLP. A comprehensive reply was sent by return. This appears to have concluded the matter.
| 09/10/08
21:20
I have never read anything
like this. I have put a link to it on my own web pages (www.rayandmave.co.uk)
for the many motorgroaners that visit my pages ( average 500 a week ) |
| 07/10/08
10:52
First of all well done for your comments there are a lot of folks who are not happy with brownhills old company????? Keep your eyes on this space ziggy |
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08/11/08
10:52
Sir
It upsets me to see a site like this to a
company I worked for for nearly 20 years, but I must agree with
everything that is posted on this site. After the take over in 1999 the
company went downhill rapidly. Within two years they lost over 200 years
of experienced staff most of it to other motorhome dealers but some of
us got out of the industry all together. When Brownfools was owned
privately it was a great place to work, when I left in 2002 it was
the worst place in the uk the moral was so low that I thought it would
go under by the end of the year, but some how it as survived until now,
but I wonder for how much longer.
Your ex Brownfools employee.
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20/11/08 16:37
Dear sir/madm
May i thank you for helping to make me unemployed thanks to your efforts
to destroy peoples jobs,i understand you may be upset but alot of people are
thankfull to staff at brownhills all you are doing is stopping
people making there own minds up you can put this on your website but i
bet you dont <remeber they dont build them if kellogs
cornflakes dont taste good is it tescos fault?if your website is
anything to go by maybe you should look at yourself and think is my
attitude right.get a life saddo
Regards Ian Cross
Webmasters reply Ian, Thank you for your latest correspondence. It gives me the opportunity to make it clear that we do not have, nor have we ever had, any complaints about the build quality of our Hymer 524 CS motorgroan. It's everything that followed its arrival at the dealership that was the problem. Indeed, our experience of the quality of the Hymer product is that it is excellent! After seven and a half years of touring on European roads and English potholes it is still superb! Regarding the dealer, we feel sure that people are more than capable of making up their own minds and will continue to do so. We would never seek to interfere with peoples freedom of thought. May we take this opportunity to wish you every success in your efforts to find gainful employment. Regards, Brownfools Webmaster. Webmasters note: In previous correspondence Ian referred to himself as "one of these cretins at brownfools". |
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17/11/08
12:22
Dear sir I've bought 7 motorhomes from several different companies and brownhills service has been nothing short of brilliant!, it's a shame that you had a bad expreice but don't abuse the company for a few problems, it's not fair because nearly all the people I have talked to over the years have agreed with me. This is a sad day when people can mock a company for a few down falls. Name and contact details supplied - withheld by request. |
| 14/12/08
08:24
I have had my membership of Club Brownfools
terminated because I have not supported Brownfools with a Van purchase/
service during the past 12 months. When I pointed out that at the
time of purchase of my motorhome 2 years ago I was told I had membership
whilst I owned the van, "Oh but that was the old Brownfools, nothing
to do with us". What a set of cowboys I hope they go bust soon. Name and contact details supplied - removed by request. |
| 07/06/09
15:32
Sakar Hills
Webmasters Notes: Barry and Margaret operate the popular website MagBazTravels.com, for long-term, long distance Motorhomers and cyclists. More details on our "links" page. Barry and Margaret contacted Brownhills "Customer Services" through the Brownhills website, which they describe as "a considerable trial of patience". Brownhills replies, which prompted Barry and Margaret to complain about Brownhills "boorish and arrogant approach to customer relations" are reproduced on the MagBazTravels website here. Motorhome Medics was set up by Darren Corder and Martin Peters in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire "to offer honest work for fair prices on every aspect of motorhome servicing and repair". More details on our "links" page. Brownfools Webmaster. |
| 19/08/09
07:33
I have been looking for somewhere to vent my disgust at Brownhills Ltd, Brownhills(Newark) Ltd Brownhills Holdings or whatever name they are now using. Having bought a motorhome from them in December 2007,for £24,000 (almost) and a warranty £300, when the van broke down six months later, we contacted them - or at least tried to. They would not deal with the warranty or our claim, so we eventually had to have the clutch replaced - which was totally burnt out. We had to pay nearly £1000 for the clutch to be replaced, followed by £400 to have the wiring sorted out, and took them to the small claims court to recover our losses. This little venture cost us £68, plus £15.00 donation to the Citizens' Advice Bureau, which we thought was worth the attempt to get our £1000 back. After being bombarded with intimidating e-mails and letters from their solicitors, we nonetheless went to Court, believing that we had finished paying out any more money. To our horror, we discovered that the company had changed hands, and although the same people were effectively running it, the 'company' had changed hands and were not liable. The Judge, and barrister which they hired were very sympathetic to our case, and we did not have to pay the £3,500 claimed by Brownhills' solicitors, but we did have to pay £400 'disbursements'. Had we have withdrawn, which we felt under pressure to do, we would have been liable for the £3,500. We are grateful to the Judge, and hope Brownhills had to pay their solicitors substantially more than the £1000 we would have claimed. In fact, we offered to settle with Brownhills out of court for £450, but they would not. I hope other people will be wary of the Small Claims Court, but I have nothing but praise for the Judge. Name and contact details supplied. Webmasters Note: We are sorry to hear that you ended up out of pocket at the end of your ordeal. We too were amazed that, under British law, directors of a failed company can effectively ditch tens of millions of pounds of debt and carry on as if nothing had happened while shedding all liability for all their previous dodgy deals and warranties. The law truly is an ass! However, now that your ordeal is at an end, we do hope that you are enjoying your motorhome and that you will continue to do so. Best wishes, David, Prew and Connor. |
| 19/10/09
07:06
We purchased a brand new Autoroller 200 Low Profile in February 2009 from Brownhills of Swindon. After several attempts to get the documentation including the finance agreement and ford warranty we finally went away for a long weekend in May. Cracks appeared on the back panel of the vehicle. After inspection and only a discussion with the people Autotrail who are authorized on the warranty of the body they stated they would renew the back panel. However we knew that something was wrong with the underneath of this vehicle. Neither Brownhills, the finance company or Autotrail would give us the information on what had gone wrong with this new motorhome. It has now had an expert inspection and it is the extensions on the chassis that has not only been ill fitted, but screw-self tappet screws missing and some not even drilled. The total lack of assistance from Brownhills, their rudeness, distain and contempt has put them at number one as the worst company we have ever dealt with. It is now going to court as are seeking legal redress for the return of all monies and compensation. Our warning to anyone that has an Autoroller 200 is to get an engineers report on the extension chassis because in time (or in our case after one trip) you will find faults. These vehicles are so poorly constructed with regard to the chassis extensions that they are positively dangerous, we have confirmed this in our case by an engineers report. Trading standards have being passed the information and are looking into this matter. Best regards, David and Lesley Lock. Webmasters Note: We are sorry to hear of your problems with your new motorhome and saddened (although not surprised) to hear of Brownhills response. We would recommend contacting VOSA (the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency). They would inspect the vehicle and, if deemed appropriate, could order the recall of all similar vehicles for inspection and/or remedial action or modification. See the VOSA "what we do" page here http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/aboutvosa/whatwedo/whatwedo.htm Or search for recalls here http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/default.asp We wish you a speedy and satisfactory resolution to these issues and hope that you are enjoying your new motorhome soon. Best wishes, David, Prew and Connor. |
| 21/10/09
20:49
Cavalier attitude reigns We too had the audacity to
discover that our annual habitational service had not checked our battery
levels despite the check sheet indicating they had! Having received
inaccurate and blatant sales pitch responses I complained about
their customer service staff only to be told by Get Carter their CEO was
composing the replies! Additionally as we have now had to buy new
batteries it is probable they had never been checked in the previous ones
either. When I had the audacity to raise this as an issue the CEO,
initials TB, who seems to totally control all questions to the website,
blacklisted us immediately with a response included herewith : Thanks Ms H - we like to deal with nice people.
We have no wish to get into an argument. Your record here has been marked
for no further contact so as to avoid any further unpleasantness - we will
also not carry out any further work on your van for the same reason.
Thanks for the past business and enjoy your van. Thankyou. Tom I would, however, like to point out that they did seem to have a sane service manager at that point however he may not have survived – who knows. I followed this up with a recorded delivery letter of complaint with regard to how my original complaint had been handled on 13 August. I am still waiting for a response and am seriously considering legal action. Things have never got better despite their fancy website!!! Judith Horsfield |
| 07/11/09
17:25
First let me say what a brilliant site you're running, and tell you about a lucky escape. Looking to buy our third motorhome we travelled to the Swindon depot of you know who to have a look around. I asked three different employees if they had any automatics in stock (can only drive autos since being victim of road traffic accident), we were finally told to go and have a look. When I pointed out that I couldn't walk too far and we had our very pregnant daughter with us and it was a very hot day, surely they could be a little more helpful. Nope was the reply and the guy headed back to the shade and ice water dispenser at the side of the office. We decided on one more try so I entered the office and asked, surely you have a stock list. Reply was the best ever. The person responsible for that sort of thing was on a break. I took my £30,000 pounds elsewhere. These people are nuts. Chris and Juliet Segelov.
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| 10/12/09
22:05
Love
the website. Very well put together and unfortunately all too true. Good luck and keep
up the good work. Subject: Aborted purchase of Hymer S650 Webmasters Note: We can empathize with your disappointment, C.K. Finding the ideal motorhome is problematic enough. Having to entrust the muppets of Newark with it's preparation is enough to drive a sane man to despair! On the plus side (and a surprise to us) at least they refunded your deposit without a fight. Perhaps they really are improving. :-) Maybe the best advice for others finding their ideal motorcaravan is to buy it as it stands, negotiating a discount for any work that needs doing, then have this work done locally, as Vivienne Luscott did (see above). You are fortunate to have some excellent companies on your doorstep. Best wishes, David, Prew and Connor. |
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06/08/10 13:03
My wife was recently given between 6 months and 2 years to live with
a brain tumor. We've been hill walkers most of our later years but are
only just in our 50's spending several weeks a year in the Lake District
in our caravan. Locksmith
Webmasters reply
Hi Abbeylocks & Mandy (and Beau!),
Thank
you for your email to us here at Brownfools.
Firstly
may we say how sorry we are to hear of your condition, Mandy.
Our thoughts and sympathies are with you and your family. An
experience like you have just had with Brownhills was the
very last thing you all needed.
We
had already read your distressing account on the Motorhomefacts
website forum. The replies from members of that forum (and
others) say more than we ever could. We understand from
subsequent posts to the forum that you may be able to obtain a refund
from Brownhills. You won't need us to tell you how precious your
time is. If you can get your money back, do so!
Then put Brownhills behind you and never look back.
Motorhoming
is a wonderful way of making the most of your time together. We
understand that the proprietor of Johns Cross Motorhomes in East
Sussex (Peter) has offered you a Swift Motorhome for a week to get you
off to a proper start. Our limited dealings with Johns Cross
Motorhomes have been very satisfactory and we thank Peter for his
generous offer.
In
the time that we have run the Brownfools website we have
been sent some harrowing, first hand accounts of peoples dealings with
the Muppets of Newark. We often think that they can't dig
themselves any deeper into the gutter, then we hear of them in
the sewer.
This
website was born out of our experiences. We are truly sorry
that, like us, you learnt the hard way. We do hope that this is
all resolved to your satisfaction - and quickly!
Please
drop us a line letting us know how you fare, what you buy, where you
go and, most of all, how you enjoy it! Don't let this put you
off motorhoming. There are good dealers out there!
Finally,
we hope that you can make another trip to Scotland. As you will
see from the photos elsewhere on this website, we love it!
Very
best wishes,
David, Prew and Connor.
Update (04:52 13/08/10) In the last couple of days Abbeylocks has posted to Motorhomefacts that he has achieved a very satisfactory resolution to the above issues. He has thanked Brownhills for the way they have responded to his complaint. We are very pleased for him and Mandy and wish them many happy days in their replacement motorhome. David, Prew and Connor. |
| 31/07/10
16:56
Dear Sir
I ran an ASKMID check on the registration number Y359
DAU and it has come back as being on the Motor Insurance Database today
as a: "Fiat Swift".
Regards ............ Michael
Webmasters reply Hi Michael, Yes, the registration is apparently on a Swift Suntor 590RS UK, with the serial number /MH1148 and CRM reference 179100. But despite knowing all that, neither Swift nor the DVLA appear to know who owns it. Swift believed that it was ours but now accept that it is not and never has been. However, we had not thought of checking the motor insurers database, so thanks for pointing us in the right direction! What's fascinating about that registration appearing on the database is that it implies that someone is insuring it. So, it must still be out there.....and probably still awaiting it's safety critical recall! We will be writing to the motor insurers bureau asking if they would be prepared to forward the Safety Critical Recall notice to the owners. After all these years, we may just be getting somewhere! We'll keep you posted. Thanks again for your email. Very best wishes, David, Prew and Connor. |
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13/08/10 23:25 I bought a new Hobby van from Brownfools on which there were 30+ items requiring remedial work under warranty during the following year. Reaching the first anniversary with several things still outstanding I decided to go elsewhere to maintain the warranty. However, another nearby dealership was too busy with their own customers, which is understandable. Browncon
promised all the outstanding work would be done. So I gave them a chance
and agreed to them carrying out a water ingress check only at about £100.
On collecting the vehicle a bill for over £250 was presented. They said
my instructions were followed and non-payment would result in retention
of vehicle and loss of warranty. They promised that urgent
warranty work would be done. Reluctantly,
payment was made. I suspect little or no real service work had been done
because grease was simply wiped over keyhole not injected and there was
no evidence of other work being carried out. A
short time later I enquired as to when the outstanding issues would
receive attention and was met with Browncon response to say no further
warranty work would be done on the vehicle because they had a problem
with Hobby. Owdfool was
fobbed off time and time again, conned over work instructions, pressured
by threats and promises. Taken for £250 for nothing. Other Owdfools
better not mess with Brownfools for they are expert liars and confidence
tricksters. They know each year brings a harvest of more ripe Owdfools. Yvonne the Owdfool.
Webmasters reply:
Hi Yvonne,
“Conned and
pressured”. Yes, we know exactly how you feel. There
was something excruciatingly frustrating, fruitless and subjugating
about being on the wrong side of the Brownfools service reception
desk.
Reading your email
reminded us how we too were a family of Owdfools, ripe for picking. It
was our stupidity in trustingly going back time and time again that we
most regret. We were led to believe that we couldn’t take
the warranty work elsewhere.
Learning the hard way is
never comfortable. But at least you learnt more quickly
than this family of Owdfools.
Despite your first year
gremlins we hope that you’ve enjoyed your Hobby and that it
continues to give you much better service than Brownfools.
Thanks to you, Brownfools
now has a new tagline. “There’s no fool like an Owdfool!”
Very best wishes,
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